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Comment on How to write rules (without confusing people). by Mack

Mack — Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:15:43 +0000

Hey man thank you very much for this helpful briefing. Just trying to develop a game and was wondering where should I start…writing the rules I guess. This was a simple and clear explanation. Keep the work on!

Comment on What cards do. by Scott

Scott — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:43:56 +0000

Thanks Yehuda! Going to try and get back into a regular blogging pattern. Lots of fun stuff going on these days.

I’ll try not to disappoint!

Comment on What cards do. by Yehuda Berlinger

Yehuda Berlinger — Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:20:36 +0000

Hi, Scott. I haven’t followed you in a while, but it’s nice to see you’re still going, and working on an analog game, no less.

Keep us posted.

Yehuda

Comment on A simple request. by me

me — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:36:07 +0000

Comment on How to fix Cow Clicker by Ian Bogost

Ian Bogost — Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:19:29 +0000

@Scott
In that case, I’ll change it!

Comment on How to fix Cow Clicker by Scott

Scott — Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:03:41 +0000

@Ian
They’re talking about literal calls to actions. You can’t write “Play Now!” or “Click Now!” in the image. The only place in the entire stream you’re permitted to use call-to-action language is the “action link.”

Happy to read your article and move the conversation over to your home turf.

Comment on How to fix Cow Clicker by Ian Bogost

Ian Bogost — Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:03:16 +0000

@Ben
I’ve written more about the project here: http://www.bogost.com/blog/cow_clicker_1.shtml. I didn’t want to twist the genre, but to try to distill it.

@Scott
I’m not against Facebook games as such, and I agree with you that there have been some good ones. Parking Wars is high up my list. You might want to read the link above, in which I try to talk about the bad kinds of social games that I’m after.

On the stream story thing, I don’t think it’s legit to link from the image, right? Cf. platform policy VI.A.5. Or are they just talking about textual calls to action?

Comment on How to fix Cow Clicker by Scott

Scott — Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:07:40 +0000

I suppose I’m more interested in your reasoning behind Cow Clicker than anything else. I’ll look forward to reading whatever you write on the topic, but from what I can gather from your comment, Cow Clicker is apparently about the meaningless clicking associated with social games.

Sad, then, because social games (the good ones, anyway), are all about *meaningful* clicks — “appointment” clicks that impact play-time and non-play-time alike.

It’s been over two years since Parking Wars happened, and it’s still one of the best examples of that return compulsion — that sense that even when you’re not playing, you’re still in some way playing. You’ve enacted something in the game space that makes it anticipate your return. In a good social game, ceasing to play is as important a decision as starting to play.

Also, the image of the cow in the Stream Story should pass the same URL as the “Click the click” link. Just sayin.

Comment on How to fix Cow Clicker by Ben Kirman

Ben Kirman — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:43:37 +0000

I’m having trouble understanding the point of Cow Clicker as a parody. I see all the (old fashioned) Facebook game tropes in there, but it seems to just implement them rather than twisting them.

I suppose the metaphor is funny because it is references the interaction style for a lot of these games, but if it was renamed “Cow Feeder” and clicks became “feed”, then the entire game would become a standard, basic (but hard) Facebook game.

It seems like Guru Meditation could be renamed “Don’t move your iPhone” and be just as effective as a parody of accelerometer-powered iPhone games. http://itunes.apple.com/app/guru-meditation

Comment on How to fix Cow Clicker by Ian Bogost

Ian Bogost — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:30:30 +0000

This is an interesting post for a lot of reasons. It’s possible you’re misconstruing why I made this game (it’s not a response to the Lost Cow, for example), but at the same time, it feels in the spirit of the project to embrace the values of user feedback that so-called social games claim to embody. So I read these suggestions in earnest.

(1) is the hardest for me to swallow, not because I don’t understand why you suggest it, but because I wanted the game to disrespect the player’s time in a different way than most of these games do (to create the frustration that you’re describing). (2) is interesting, because it serves as the most recent example in an increasingly common trend of social game developers grousing at me about platform policy issues. I’ll say more about that in another context (on my blog tomorrow, most likely), but for now, I think you’ll find that my feed stories are now fully compliant with Good Father Facebook’s will. As for clicking cows for their health, that’s precisely what Cow Clicker is all about. But I find your suggestion intriguing anyway. To be honest (I’ll say more about this another time too), the operation of the Facebook platform is almost completely opaque, and the very concept of action links wouldn’t ever have revealed itself to me from the documentation alone. (3) is a good idea that I’d considered, but the 15 mooney value is quite smart. I implemented that (easy enough). The cow is yours if you want it; you’ll find the mooney is waiting in your account.